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whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

I was just wondering whether there was any more triple hero builds out there that when used together synergize well with each other, just like Sabway.

I was thinking maybe a paragon with THEY'RE ON FIRE plus 2 SF ele's, something like that. Anyway, if there ARE other builds like Sab's, could you let me know, thanks.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 25, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

There's Racthoh's 2 Paras + Orders Derv, but it's a physical based team and it works much much better with you as a SY/TNTF para. If you're a War with SY it works too, but not as well.

I think the thread is in the 'Heroes and AI' section.

whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

There's Racthoh's 2 Paras + Orders Derv, but it's a physical based team and it works much much better with you as a SY/TNTF para. If you're a War with SY it works too, but not as well.

I think the thread is in the 'Heroes and AI' section.

Ah right, too bad

I'm an elementalist you see.

I'm not sure if you can answer this but if I was to make a Paragon hero to buff the team's attacks & reduce damage etc, should the Para have any spear mastery skills/attribute points?

Coloneh · Mar 25, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

I know plenty of people run 4 SF or MB/RI eles with varying utility skills. my ele does the latter. it works very well.

also b/p teams are not unheard of.

whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I know plenty of people run 4 SF or MB/RI eles with varying utility skills. my ele does the latter. it works very well.

also b/p teams are not unheard of.

Hey, speaking of SF ele's, if you take a look at the first post in the following thread and go to "Third Question", you may be able to answer it for me. You were brilliant in the other thread about Sabway, and could really use your help with this.

Sabway didn't really work out for me the way I'd hoped, but at least I gave it a shot.

Anyway, here's the thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...89#post3794189

the_doode · Mar 25, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

I think you've been making too much threads on almost same subject lately. :/

whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by the_doode

I think you've been making too much threads on almost same subject lately. :/

:/

I iz having many questchunz!1111!!!

Richardt · Mar 25, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by whufc89

I'm not sure if you can answer this but if I was to make a Paragon hero to buff the team's attacks & reduce damage etc, should the Para have any spear mastery skills/attribute points?

The short answer: YES! Just think of a para as a warrior with a range attack and you're good

Since you're an ele, the para has a couple of chants that'll help you in that line. There's a motivation chant that'll give you energy when you cast a spell (at 9 mot it returns 5 energy) and there's a Leadership on that removes hexes (Hexbreaker Aria).

Floating around is Zinger's builds-a little outdated now, but it does feature using a Para hero using "They're On Fire!" to reduce damage from buring foes-which is very easy to do with a Fire ele. You can find the build in the para basics thread.

xDusT II · Mar 25, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Paragons, Necromancers and Ritualists.

DarkSpirit · Mar 25, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by whufc89

Ah right, too bad

I'm an elementalist you see.

Sabway works well on my Ele. Just replace one of the skills in the SS necro with weaken armor and you are good to go.

What problem are you facing?

whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

What problem are you facing?

You mean with Sabway?

Pyro maniac · Mar 25, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Zinger's is nice too:
- 1 SF Ele
- 1 Para with They're on Fire+Blazing Finale+Go for the Eyes
- 2 MM's with aura of the lich

The 20 minions strengthened by the mass spam of GftE and the mass burn + damage reduction cuts through the mobs. Although the SF ele has got some nerfs since the beginning of nightfall and it was never proven that GftE works on minions. Some other shouts were tweaked as well so you need to make a new bar yourselves.

DarkSpirit · Mar 25, 2008, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by whufc89

You mean with Sabway?

Yes, I mean with Sabway.

whufc89 · Mar 25, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Yes, I mean with Sabway.

To be honest, it wasn't THAT bad, it was just boring as hell to run (no offense to Sab). Also, I prefer running builds that I design myself as it gives me a sense of accomplishment when things run the way I want them to. I wasn't going to use Sab's build to begin with but I thought I'd give it a shot, and that's exactly what I did. At least I've tried it out now anyway, and I'll probably use it more when I start playing HM more often.

ele pl · Mar 25, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

yesterday i tryed build with 2 paras and orders derv. I am ele too, and it wasn't that great. Builds are nice, but if you want a full ownage, you need to be para or warrior. I will try Zigers builds with 2 MM's, it seems to be good

Sethellington · Mar 25, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Thing about Racthoh's builds, as much as I love them, and I really really do - They need a specific primary character calss - a paragon, which up until lately with the introduction of PvE skills etc etc, have been very unpopular. Sab's builds work with all primary professions. Am I saying Sab's is better? No. I just think it's more versatile in the way of primary profession.

Richardt · Mar 25, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I like Racthoh's hero para builds...but I find the D/N Orders to be a little lacking-always had issues with this guy.

Sabway is really popular since you can use it with anyone-which makes it nice. Due to this I always felt "left out" when I ran all 3-no matter what I ran it had little effect on how those 3 did.

Since you're inclined to make your own heroes, there's a couple of things to keep in mind:

1) As an ele you'll need energy-a couple Necro skills help in this line and the Para has a couple here and there (I think it's Aria of Zeal is the one I mentioned above).

2) Some sort of tanking. This can be anything from Zinger's ToF tank to just a simple warrior with a couple attack/utility skills. If you can spike quick enough, you can make do with a MM.

3) A healer. Henchmen healers SUCK. Essentially one wipe and they act like they've never seen a healing bar before. I would recommend Restoration rits (either from a rit primary or N/Rt) as I think they're pretty sweet. If you go with a monk hero keep in mind you'll need to have a larger energy pool than a human monk-I've found that using full radiants/attunements with a +20 energy staff does the job. WoH is pretty sweet on a hero, but I've noticed they have a prob. with HB.

Jobs 1 and 2 can be combined and split between different guys-nothing is really written in stone there.

If you're going to use a hero who's prof. you're not familiar with, I would recommend going into that's prof. subforum and noodle around there and see what people are running-a good idea for hero builds is see what people are running in PvP-the N/Rt healer build came from a HA build. Just keep in mind by doing this, you have to see what the build is designed to do-some are kinda gimmicky and designed to do some PvP specific job that won't work in PvE.

And don't be afraid to post your build here on Guru-there's some intellegent people floating around that know their stuff and can help ya.

DarkSpirit · Mar 25, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by whufc89

To be honest, it wasn't THAT bad, it was just boring as hell to run (no offense to Sab). Also, I prefer running builds that I design myself as it gives me a sense of accomplishment when things run the way I want them to. I wasn't going to use Sab's build to begin with but I thought I'd give it a shot, and that's exactly what I did. At least I've tried it out now anyway, and I'll probably use it more when I start playing HM more often.

I think Sab has the right basic ideas but you can tweak it to fit your characters better. For example, I would make sure that weaken armor is included in the Curse necro since it can make a big difference to an Ele.

Racthoh's build is specific for Paragons and some people have some success with it on their DSlash warriors. The main attraction in it are Dark Fury (lots of adrenaline) and OOP (boosts physical damage). I dont think it is designed for an Ele though. I find Racthoh's build is less universally designed so you would have major problems in certain areas of the game. This means you have to also change it alot in those areas.

In those areas, I personally replace the Command Paragon in Racthoh's build with Sab's variant MM (with fiends) and use Racthoth's DA/OOP variant necro instead of the D/N. This way, I can still exploit some Soul Reaping, get some protection, and have Spliniter Weapon, which is nice.

Antithesis · Mar 26, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Paragons, Necromancers and Ritualists.

The unholy trinity... P's and N's definitely have the best primaries for PvE heroes. Rt secondary works extremely well on N and E.

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Originally Posted by Sethellington

Thing about Racthoh's builds, as much as I love them, and I really really do - They need a specific primary character calss - a paragon --snip--
Sab's builds work with all primary professions. Am I saying Sab's is better? No. I just think it's more versatile in the way of primary profession.

Rac's works best when accompanying a Paragon, but works just fine with a Warrior, Ranger, Sin and Derv. As long as you can slot in Save Yourselves on a physical toon, you can run Rac's build.

Agreed with Sab's...works with any primary and is more universal (doesn't require tweaking per zone).

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Originally Posted by Richardt

I like Racthoh's hero para builds...but I find the D/N Orders to be a little lacking-always had issues with this guy.

I'm a bit that way myself - i've been experimenting with an Order of the Vampire N/Rt running Mark of Fury instead of Dark Fury.

[update] Ended up with a OoTV N/D - energy mgt is good but the hero needs to be on guard to use MoF, making it closer to the frontline and squishier than the D/N. The D/N has better team healing and can tank damage better than a N/D...i'll stick with the D/N.

Tyla · Mar 26, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Richardt

The short answer: YES! Just think of a para as a warrior with a range attack and you're good

Not to mention the defensive capabilities tied with offense, and the imba energy management...
Apart from that...err...they suck!
But they don't suck at anything, sooooooooo...